Why hello there. You've reached Lucifer Morningstar. Sorry I can't come to the phone right now. Leave a message after the tone and I might get back to you. Make it good~ Byyyyyyye~
He thinks none of before means anything. Told me I don't have to keep humoring him. I reigned in my temper, waited three whole days, took him tea brewed perfectly for his overheated ass so he'd have something soothing...fucking died for MK AND him...
[He takes another drink.]
But because I was trying to tell him that he needs to stop making the choices on his own, to stop sacrificing himself, and that now almost no one can use one of the things that works most on MK...I clearly don't care about him.
I don't know. Every time I even slightly consider it, something like this happens. He made this big deal about how his ideal future includes me having a place there and being happy, but if it's this easy for him to just decide I don't...what am I supposed to think?
Hmm. The fact he wants you in his life, in his ideal future, means he cares about you. But perhaps that care, that love, is surrounded by something else that keeps it from coming out. Keeping it small. Afraid.
You know how that feels, don't you? Wanting someone to care for you but the fear of reprisal keeps it small until that fear is quelled?
Even with your Master when you first met? He put the circlet on you. Used it to hurt you. You were charged with protecting someone you didn't know. And you protect those you care about. Yet with him, you had to protect before you cared. Was there not, even a small part of you, that was scared to open up to him when the journey started?
So you didn't think about it but you followed your feelings. The want to get free. Go home.
What I'm getting at is, if you could think to that. That time and those feelings. After Macaque, and Mk.
Perhaps, just maybe, Red Son feels something similar with you. Since clearly you both have the same thoughts about one another. [He drinks more champagne.]
...how would you feel if someone was so doubtful that they had to ask if you love them. That they didn't before because they were afraid of rejection...that...they were so in that mindset they need you to spell out for them that they can come to you for support...
[He stares at the bottle in his hands.]
...and you only find out something is wrong because his other mate already knows.
I would probably feel extremely shitty and like a loser. Which is how you're feeling right now.
[Lucifer takes another long drink.]
Love...is a language with many d-dialects. Every person has their own. Some overlap. Some are alien to one another. Some display love through actions. Others, gifts. Some, physical intimacy. And some with words. Words hold as much meaning as actions for some. Sometimes more. Where the opposite can be true for others.
Words aren't always cheap. Actions can lie. If you love someone, it isn't just about speaking your own love language. It's speaking theirs. But both loves should try to teach the other their love language.
Communication is a bitch and a half, I'll tell you that right now. But it's worth all the effort and all the pain.
...I was trying both...back then. I was always watching him, seeking him out first and making sure he was okay, spending time, grooming, finding him during storms to comfort him, I told him I wanted to spend the rest of forever with him. I only marked him, he was the only one who marked me.
[He lays over the arm of the couch, back to Lucifer.]
I didn't have any doubts. I knew he loved me, even though I didn't know he was afraid to say it. But I wasn't giving him what he needed...I can't give Red Son what he needs...
And they apparently do that for each other.
Which...I guess makes sense why Macaque never trusted me. If I can't give my mate, my family, my friends...what they need. If I'm untrustworthy...it just makes sense.
...Expectations and desires have to be expressed by both parties. That is for friendship, relationships, and family all.
And fearing something does not always mean distrust in the person. It can mean a failing of self-worth too.
Wukong, it isn't all on you. And people can get some things from certain people. That doesn't diminish their relationships with the others in their lives.
I'd like to believe that. But basically everyone I know can't be wrong. That's not how that works.
[He takes a long swig.]
It...makes me feel sometimes like...I dunno...something is wrong with me. People have said they were wrong, or they took it too far, or other people can be wrong...but it just...keeps happening. So it can't be that.
[Lucifer says softly. He takes another drink and sets his bottle aside.]
Planning isn't everyone's strong suit. That's not a flaw, it is a lack of skill. If people follow you, or danger comes for you and your friends, unless you invited it or sought it out, that isn't your fault or a flaw.
You tell me how proud you are of MK and his growth. Part of being a mentor is allowing your student to face their demons themselves. Not to face their demons for them.
As for a friend, I find you to be a good friend, Wukong. And I doubt you are a terrible friend unless you are wearing a mask when you're around me.
Remember what I said about scapegoats? When relationships suffer, when someone is hurt by someone, they want someone to blame.
They can have legitimate grievances. Pain. But it's easier to focus on the faults of the other party than look inward sometimes at what they contributed to the relationship breaking down.
In the end, what you must ask them is that same question. Is it your words, your behavior, or just all of you that is a problem? Their answer will tell you if you can salvage that relationship or not.
But if you can't communicate with one another, they may answer one way, you hear it another, then they assume something else. For difficult conversations like that, it's best to have a mediator.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 03:51 am (UTC)Hangovers be damned straight to hell!
[He clinks glasses with Wukong and downs the booze.]
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:06 am (UTC)The sign he's ready to talk appears when he opens the peach wine he bought five bottles of and takes a swig straight from the bottle.]
Burned it down again, by the way.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:12 am (UTC)How bad did it burn? Spill the uh...drinks or whatever the kids say.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:17 am (UTC)[He takes another drink.]
But because I was trying to tell him that he needs to stop making the choices on his own, to stop sacrificing himself, and that now almost no one can use one of the things that works most on MK...I clearly don't care about him.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:30 am (UTC)Your sworn nephew believes you don't care about him. That must be difficult. And...may I ask, do you think he cares about you?
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Date: 2024-07-11 04:37 am (UTC)Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:43 am (UTC)You know how that feels, don't you? Wanting someone to care for you but the fear of reprisal keeps it small until that fear is quelled?
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:51 am (UTC)But no matter what, it seems to be that I did it wrong. I didn't do or say the right thing. I'm the one who fucks it up every time.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:54 am (UTC)Even with your Master when you first met? He put the circlet on you. Used it to hurt you. You were charged with protecting someone you didn't know. And you protect those you care about. Yet with him, you had to protect before you cared. Was there not, even a small part of you, that was scared to open up to him when the journey started?
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 04:58 am (UTC)So...I dunno if I can answer that honestly. Maybe after the first time he used it a bunch.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 05:00 am (UTC)What I'm getting at is, if you could think to that. That time and those feelings. After Macaque, and Mk.
Perhaps, just maybe, Red Son feels something similar with you. Since clearly you both have the same thoughts about one another. [He drinks more champagne.]
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Date: 2024-07-11 05:02 am (UTC)Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 05:03 am (UTC)Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 05:07 am (UTC)[He stares at the bottle in his hands.]
...and you only find out something is wrong because his other mate already knows.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 05:16 am (UTC)[Lucifer takes another long drink.]
Love...is a language with many d-dialects. Every person has their own. Some overlap. Some are alien to one another. Some display love through actions. Others, gifts. Some, physical intimacy. And some with words. Words hold as much meaning as actions for some. Sometimes more. Where the opposite can be true for others.
Words aren't always cheap. Actions can lie. If you love someone, it isn't just about speaking your own love language. It's speaking theirs. But both loves should try to teach the other their love language.
Communication is a bitch and a half, I'll tell you that right now. But it's worth all the effort and all the pain.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-11 05:54 am (UTC)[He lays over the arm of the couch, back to Lucifer.]
I didn't have any doubts. I knew he loved me, even though I didn't know he was afraid to say it. But I wasn't giving him what he needed...I can't give Red Son what he needs...
And they apparently do that for each other.
Which...I guess makes sense why Macaque never trusted me. If I can't give my mate, my family, my friends...what they need. If I'm untrustworthy...it just makes sense.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-12 10:32 pm (UTC)And fearing something does not always mean distrust in the person. It can mean a failing of self-worth too.
Wukong, it isn't all on you. And people can get some things from certain people. That doesn't diminish their relationships with the others in their lives.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-12 11:51 pm (UTC)[He takes a long swig.]
It...makes me feel sometimes like...I dunno...something is wrong with me. People have said they were wrong, or they took it too far, or other people can be wrong...but it just...keeps happening. So it can't be that.
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Date: 2024-07-13 12:01 am (UTC)Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-13 12:11 am (UTC)And I didn't even realize the people I called my friends don't trust me.
...as a start.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-13 01:07 am (UTC)[Lucifer says softly. He takes another drink and sets his bottle aside.]
Planning isn't everyone's strong suit. That's not a flaw, it is a lack of skill. If people follow you, or danger comes for you and your friends, unless you invited it or sought it out, that isn't your fault or a flaw.
You tell me how proud you are of MK and his growth. Part of being a mentor is allowing your student to face their demons themselves. Not to face their demons for them.
As for a friend, I find you to be a good friend, Wukong. And I doubt you are a terrible friend unless you are wearing a mask when you're around me.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-13 01:17 am (UTC)...then why do you think most people say I'm the problem?
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-13 01:26 am (UTC)They can have legitimate grievances. Pain. But it's easier to focus on the faults of the other party than look inward sometimes at what they contributed to the relationship breaking down.
In the end, what you must ask them is that same question. Is it your words, your behavior, or just all of you that is a problem? Their answer will tell you if you can salvage that relationship or not.
But if you can't communicate with one another, they may answer one way, you hear it another, then they assume something else. For difficult conversations like that, it's best to have a mediator.
Re: Voice - Five DaysPost-Red Son Talk
Date: 2024-07-13 01:54 am (UTC)Mediation might...well it can't burn things any faster.
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